Unfair rep removal. Seller upset I didnt want to spend extra money and gave me -rep

[Hiyd1123]

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Profile of the person you're reporting: @Payrozza  https://www.nulled.t...833390-payrozza

 

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I wanted to buy discord nitro, and saw his post on his nitro service. I ended up talking to him and asking him about his service, what the prices are ect. I initially said i would buy 1 year for 35 usd btc, but changed my mind and asked if i could buy the 5 usd one for paypal. He told me he doesnt take paypal and after a bit of convincing I told him I will be fine with paying with btc. At this moment I was ready to purchase a service he offers for btc but he got upset that I wasn't buying the 35$ option which for me is a lot of money, and I wasnt sure just how much I trust the service. I explained to him that I know another seller, who gives nitro for cheaper, but it requires him to login to my account, which is why I am considering the more expensive option as Payrozza's service doesnt require a password. This other seller told me that the reason he needs my login is because you cannot gift discord nitro for the same price as what he could buy it if he logged in to my account, which after telling payrozza he agreed with. The reason this is relevant is because I then asked him how his method works, this was because in the past I had bought nitro from somoene who used credit card fraud and my nitro dissapeared after around 16 days. He said he would explain how to claim the nitro after I purchase and told me it wasnt through gifting or through fraud. This sold me on purchasing discord nitro, and I said, alright I will buy it, but I only want to buy the 5 usd monthly option that he offered. At this point he got annoyed that I wasnt purchasing the 35 usd option and said that I am being disrespectful to his reputation as a trusted seller. I explained to him that I am sorry and 35 dollars is alot of money to me, and told him that after the month i would most likely buy a year from him, and would also refer him to any of my friends if he did a good job. At this point he gave me negative reputation and banned me from his server, so I dont even have access to chatlogs. He however does have access to chatlogs so I would like to see how he phrases the story. 

I understand that Payrozza is a trusted member, but i simply dont use nulled as a site that much. To me any purchase from a stranger is risky, and so I explained to him that I would like to buy your service but the cheaper option. He blamed me for making him lose sleep, but he was spending extra time trying to pressure me into buying the more expensive option. I didnt ask him to stay awake to sell to me that was his choice. He believes that I was trying to get his method but as you can tell from my nulled account im just a lurker, I just use the site to get cheap accounts for services. 

TL;DR: Asked for more information about a service, since I had been scammed before by a similar service. Was a bit hesitant and wary to purchase the 35 USD option, but decided to buy the 5 USD plan that i could afford. He got mad at me for wasting his time and disrespecting his reputation, and continued to pressure me to buy the more expensive plan. I said no, he banned me from his server and blocked me after as well.

 

[Payrozza]

To clarify, I did not give you negative reputation just because you haven't bought my product or because you've changed your mind. Everyday there are dozens of people come by just to ask price and after that disappear. It is the nature of selling goods. There is nothing abnormal about it. Everyone has right to be sceptical it is very usual but even I have provided you my vouches in the forum and literally everything to feel you comfortable  you were still asking me to show you my methods and guides over and over thus you've acted like you were just trying a way get my methods rather than buying something. Plus even you said you will send if I guide you through you've  never sent  the payment you've promised therefore I have used my right to warn people who might try to sell you a product in the future. Just like positive reputations help members to build trust for their future deals negative reputation also helps people to understand whom to deal and whom to avoid. Your negative reputation will stay unless any Nulled staff says so.

Edited by Payrozza, 07 April 2023 - 12:52 AM.

[Hiyd1123]

Id like to add that he banned me from his server, and so I no longer had access to the tickets channel. I asked him for the chat logs so I could prove and defend my case better but he refused to send them as seen here: 

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He also has the chat logs, so he can use them in his defense, but I dont think It's fair that you wont be able to see the full picture without the full chat logs. It makes it obvious that he was trying to pressure me into buying a more expensive product, and getting upset I wanted the cheaper option. 

Id like to mention that I was ready to purchase! He instead refused service since I wasted his time asking him how he gets the nitro (Because I had been scammed before by frauded nitro and because I know he couldnt gift me nitro, I was curious how he does it and didnt want it to be a blackhat method). After I said this he assured me its white hat, and that he would refund me at which point I said okay im ready to buy, and he said no you wasted my time. (How am i wasting his time after i agreed to purchasing??). 

Finally I thought I should mention this, 

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. He sent this to me in dms before blocking me making it seem like I made a promise that I would pay after I explain my method, but since @Payrozza banned me from his server, I cant provide evidence that I NEVER ASKED FOR HIS METHOD!! I simply asked to explain the rough gist of it since I wasnt sure if it was blackhat. I was ready to send him the money without knowing what his method was! Hes making it sound like I said ill buy an account for the method. I didnt want the method, I just wanted confirmation that it wasnt anything blackhat. 

[Hiyd1123]

To clarify, I did not give you negative reputation just because you haven't bought my product or because you've changed your mind. Everyday there are dozens of people come by just to ask price and after that disappear. It is the nature of selling goods. There is nothing abnormal about it. Everyone has right to be sceptical it is very usual but even I have provided you my vouches in the forum and literally everything to feel you comfortable  you were still asking me to show you my methods and guides over and over thus you've acted like you were just trying a way get my methods rather than buying something. Plus even you said you will send if I guide you through you've  never sent  the payment you've promised therefore I have used my right to warn people who might try to sell you a product in the future. Just like positive reputations help members to build trust for their future deals negative reputation also helps people to understand whom to deal and whom to avoid. Your negative reputation will stay unless any staff says so.

This is not true as I said in my reply, he is trying to twist the conversation and make it sound like I wanted him to show me what he does before I buy. No, "Plus even you said you will send if I guide you through you've  never sent  the payment you've promised therefore I have used my right to warn people who might try to sell you a product in the future". This is not true, I would like you to use chatlogs to back this up since you have access to them, and i dont. Matter of fact, I am still ready to purchase the nitro, no "guide" necessary. I didnt make any promises, I was ready to send you the money and in return recieve nitro, in a transaction where I learn nothing about the "method". Please show evidence of this "promise" that i supposedly made! You are literally lying because you made  a bad decision in giving me negative rep i didnt deserve

Edited by Hiyd1123, 07 April 2023 - 12:48 AM.

[Hiyd1123]

@Payrozza is saying I asked to "show me" how his method worked before buying. This is simply not true like I explained, and this is the big mixup. I have already explained to him that I was scared of being scammed and hence asked how this method is white hat. He assured me it is white hat and that he would refund me if it wasnt. At this point I had heard enough about the method that I needed, and was ready to buy. I did not make any promise to buy more. I told him that I most likely would buy another year of nitro AFTER the month that I am currently buying from him. I didnt make any promises, I was more just testing a product and telling him that if I like it i will buy the more expensive version.

[Payrozza]

I don't think flooding or spamming would be helpful. The staff will decide. However, if any of the staff needs more information, I will be happy to provide it.

[Hiyd1123]

I don't think flooding or spamming would be helpful. The staff will decide. However, if any of the staff needs more information, I will be happy to provide it.

I am not trying to flood or spam, I am making crystal clear the confusion that you made mixes with the lies. Once again I do not have chat logs, and Payrozze knows that as seen by the screenshot where I ask him for chat logs and he denies me then promptly blocks me. This gives him an unfair advantage as he can cherry pick messages without full context, or change the messages, and I have no way to prove otherwise. Frankly the reason I posted so many replies was because I felt like It's quite hard to prove I'm not lying when going up against a "trusted" seller, since you banned me, removing any evidence I had! I hope the staff take this into consideration.

[Castiel]

Can you send me the ticket transcript? @Payrozza

[Payrozza]

Can you send me the ticket transcript? @Payrozza

okay i have added you in discord btw he already revenge repped me as well

[Hiyd1123]

okay i have added you in discord btw he already revenge repped me as well

i don’t see how it’s ‘revenge’, I detailed my reason for giving you a negative rep. You refused to sell to me because i didn’t want to buy the more expensive option which in my eyes was sales pressure and reason to give negative rep